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Student senate votes down oversight bill

By Joeann Bon-Jorno

Staff Writer

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Published: Friday, February 5, 2010

Updated: Sunday, February 7, 2010

Fewer than five Texas Tech student senators raised their hands during the student senate meeting Thursday when asked if they had ever seen a copy of the SGA budget, despite the constitution stating every senator has the ability to see a copy.

The questionnaire was part of the discussion for hotly debated Senate Bill 45.12 that suggested a senate review of the budget each year.

Senators voted against the bill, and author Sen. Drew Graham said he plans to revise some contents of the bill and bring it back into the discussion at a later date.

Sen. Mac Smith said the bill is an unnecessary check.

He said the bill is going to add two to three more hours a week to executive officers’ already busy schedules because it would require the officers to meet with committee chairs and explain the budget.

“Adding another layer is too much,” Smith said.

Administrative leaders have not displayed behavior that warrants such a bill, he said.
According to the bill, there is no oversight between the executive and legislative branches of the student senate in terms of the budget. The bill called for executive officers to present the maximum budget of each project to the committee chair council for approval at the beginning of every semester.

Sen. Jenny Mayants said the bill has nothing to do with this year’s executive branch and said she thinks the bill is a good idea.

“It makes sure there is never a problem,” she said.

Sen. Tyler Patton, a co-author on the bill, said senators need to put the power of accessing the budget on their own shoulders.

Sen. Colton Smith said the executive branch is elected and senators should trust the people for whom they voted.

He said he trusts the executive branch and administration with handling the budget.

“We should have full trust in our executive officers,” Smith said.

Graham said he trusts the executive officers as well, but wants to put preventative measures in place for the future.

“I thought as the student government we were students representing the students, not the administration,” Graham said.

Sen. Amelia Martin said the money involved in the budget belongs to everyone.

“This is not just the executive officer’s money,” Martin said, “it’s my money and the kid that sits next to me in class’ money.”

Sen. Ashley Larkin said there are people paid to manage the budget and as a senator she is not qualified to deal with the budget in such a manner.

“We have people who are paid to manage the budget that have training and knowledge,” Larkin said.

Sen. Laura Stout said student senators should be able to see where the money is going.

“The more representation the better,” Stout said.

Patton said the fact 53 percent of the senators did not think an additional effort to be transparent and accountable to students about how a budget of around 215,000 is spent raises larger questions.

Senate Bill 45.13, which called for the formation of a constitution being formed for Freshman Council was passed, along with Senate Bill 45.15, which determined the allocation of senators per college for the 2010-2011 elections. Senate Resolution 45.43, congratulating the Tech Meat Judging Team for winning the 2010 National Western Stock show; Senate Resolution 45.44, which stated the sentiments of the senate regarding the naming of the new women’s athletic softball field after Jeannine McHaney; and Senate Resolution 45.45 which stated the sentiments of the senate regarding the devastation in Haiti were passed.

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18 comments

heyheyhayyy
Wed Feb 17 2010 09:59
So easy to pass it off as a political ploy
grammatically correct and fiscally responsible red raider
Sun Feb 14 2010 20:09
Dear redraiders and Jessicaaa:

Before you make your next post, would you be so kind as to proofread it first. You sound really intelligent when your arguments are full of grammatical errors. Your lack of technical efficiency only helps to exacerbate your faulty logic. If this bill "would've put serious constraints on the executive office for years to come," then why would the authors have tried to pass it since they are running for executive office? Isn't that a little counterproductive? I sincerely hope you are not planning on attending law school because I do not want to be responsible for your future welfare checks since you won't be able to win any court cases.

redraiders
Fri Feb 12 2010 16:05
I think it's pretty obvious that the person posting as Anonymous is probably one of the people who is wrote this bill and is running for executive office.

The fact of the matter is that if you look at the text of the bill it doesn't really change anything. The senate already has access to the budgets, so no issue there. Under the legislation the senate would have to approve a budget that is already in the process of being implemented. Plus there are no teeth in the bill that provide consequences. This was a poorly written piece of legislation that would not have had any impact. It was legislation for the purpoes of legislation.

Jessicaaa.
Thu Feb 11 2010 11:44
only 53%.. you must have forgotten that's all it needed to get shot down. This bill was poorly researched and is being used as a way to get election votes. Pretty smart on their part though!! Also, who is going to approve a bill that is damaging to the student body as a whole? It put would've put serious constraints on the executive office for years to come, why would anyone want to leave that kind of a legacy!?
yoyoyoyo
Mon Feb 8 2010 17:58
way to go ag! glad someone is doing something good
Anonymous
Sun Feb 7 2010 11:26
Have to go along with Red Raider. You can always tell the difference between good and bad leaders. Good leaders ALWAYS put themselves last.

What's going on here?

Red Raider
Sat Feb 6 2010 20:38
I would have to agree with kangaroo who. Students deserve and have the right to know where their student fees are going. As a student who has to take out loans to pay for school and doesn't rely on daddy to pay for everything, I would like to know that there is a checks and balances system where major project budgets are looked over. Take Enron for example. I'm sure all of Enron's employees would want someone to look into the business that they were doing so they wouldn't have lost their jobs. All executive officers, in any organization, need to be held accountable for their actions, including where money is spent. I'm sure students would like to see that their opinion is valued since they are electing the SGA officers. It's about time that the Senate look out for the students best interest because that is not currently being done.

If the student senate is only concerned with creating two extra hours of work for the officers that were ELECTED to that job then there is a problem. Part of being a leader and serving the students is to do what is necessary to do the job and not what is convenient. If the student senate and executive officers cannot handle an extra hour of work then someone needs to take their place that can and is willing to go above and beyond the call of duty.

Anonymous
Sat Feb 6 2010 18:35
I love that its obvious that "tech 25" and "M" are obviously in SGA who the hell else would disagree with such a simple decision hmmmm should we have oversight over students money or should we not.........freaking idiots!

Thanks for nothing!

kangaroo who
Sat Feb 6 2010 17:19
ha ha "M" your cute....i love how the executive officers are getting all hot and bothered about this. and of courseee it is a political stunt right? what a nice conspiracy theory.

and the "untrained" "lazy" senators would hopefully not be the ones who would be appointed by the internal vp to look at the budget.

sounds to me like there are others who can't drop last years election

M
Sat Feb 6 2010 13:25
Trusting 19-21 year olds who only show up to meetings every 2 weeks to approve the budget for officers who are there 40-60 hours a week on top of school, who also have a person in the office who has training in financial services is ridiculous. I'm all for transparencey and guess what, it already exist! Maybe if 95% of the Senate wasn't so lazy they would go to the office, ask to see a copy of the budget (which would be given to them with no issue), and look it over. If they have a question, suggestion, or complaint go talk to the executive officers, the office manager, or the account people. The account is also ALREADY overseen by the Student Service Fee Advisory Committee (which is chaired by a student). It is also oversaw by the VPSA office. There are already more eyes on that thing than you could possibly imagine. If an executive officer abused it that secret wouldn't last long. This really is people trying to make an issue out of nothing for a campaign. It is also a personal attack on the officers from those who lost last year. How about those people grow up and work to HELP students instead of dragging others down and making the officers focus on pointless issues and focus on the needs of students instead. O my gosh the Senate just needs to be self motivated and not waste peoples time. If they have a question go ask the officers and TRAINED financial officers. Those Senators have no training in approving funding an sense they all are there for an hour a week they usually have no clue what is happening. They can't make a sound decision.
Anonymous
Sat Feb 6 2010 11:15
The Executive officers must have interned in Hance, Baily, and Meyer's offices. isn't it just fruit from the same tree?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 22:38
As a member of one of the most corrupt SGAs in the South-East... I personally can't believe that they argue that adding oversight to a yearly budget will add "2 to 3 hours of work per week" for the executives. More transparency is ALWAYS a good thing. At my University, our Student Senate writes and approves the A&S Fee Budget which is then enacted by the treasurer. I suppose its a bit different when the budget is $14.4million though.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 20:21
big deal if they can see the budget, if they can't do anything about it.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 18:38
tech25- the article mentions that senate has access to the budget - see first sentence.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 12:03
Graham, Patton, Mayants and Stout have it right. This money comes from the fees that every Texas Tech student pays! How could more transparency be a bad thing? The only argument the other side seems to have it that it "creates more work." And the notion that we should just "trust our executive officers" is such a defeatist attitude. The strength of a democracy is in its ability to question and criticize its leaders. I for one don't want a couple of big shots having unchecked say in this matter. The bill would have added a layer of responsibility to those setting the budget and as a student i want more than just the executive officers deciding where my money goes.

And by the way, Tech25 says this was a political stint by people wanting to run for exec positions in the future?? Aside from the fact that such a comment is an obvious and weak attempt to debunk the logical and well intentioned proposal of Graham and Patton without actually offering any kind of concrete oposition argument, i HOPE they do run! Because whoever is for transparency and responsibility is who I would want in charge of my student fees! (And let's not forget that if Patton or Graham were in an exec position next year, the bill they co-authored would have made it so that THEY too would be held to those standards of transparency, without complete control over the budget -- obviously the bill was not against any one person in particular but to improve the system as a whole).

feaco
Fri Feb 5 2010 10:28
Let's face it, they are just politicians in training learning how to deal with lobbyists. Just like most of the has been republican politicians that governor perry has loaded Tech's administration with like chancellor Kent (republican lobbyist) Hance
tech25
Fri Feb 5 2010 09:11
What this article fails to mention is that the Senate DOES have access to the budget. They can see the budget at anytime. In addition if the senate doesn't like what an executive officer is doing, they can vote them out. Get your facts straight! This bill was clearly a political stint for those running for executive positions in the upcoming elections.
Brad B
Fri Feb 5 2010 02:31
Who in their right mind would say something like“We should have full trust in our executive officers,” have they heard of the constitution of the United States. There are things called checks and balances .... its great that we elected someone to their office but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make sure they are actually working for the students.

Smith and all the other 53% of Senators who voted against this bill are probably right once someone gets enough votes to be President they should be able to do whatever they want. These people sound like real Einstein's to me!!

Every time I read an article about SGA it just depresses me because obviously a majority of the Senate and officers of SGA don't have the guts to stand up for anything. It's just sick!

In light of all this it is actually nice to hear that only 53% of senators voted this way...... least some of them aren't morons.







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